That’s not an uncommon request. Even though you might not see it, most email programs include the original message as part of your reply. If you don’t edit the reply yourself, your one-line response might be accompanied by the entire original message that everyone’s already seen.
The problem, of course, is that exactly how to edit the entire reply often isn’t obvious at all.
Your Mileage May Vary
I have to start by throwing out a caveat: exactly how you edit a reply varies depending on what email program or service you use, and possibly the specific configuration of the service or program.
In my experience, web-based services often make it the least obvious, so I’ll use a couple of those as examples.
But more important than any specific step-by-step instructions are the concepts behind what it means to “reply” to an email message, and how you edit messages in general.
A reply is just a new message, pre-loaded with “stuff”
When you click on the “Reply” button in an email, your email program generally does the following:
- Creates a new message, often in your “drafts” or similar folder.
- Sets the “To:” line to whatever was in the “From:” line of the original.
- Sets the “Subject:” line to whatever the original subject was, often with the string “Re: ” placed in front of it.
If you click “Reply All”, then in addition, the program:
- Adds any email addresses that were on the original To: line to the “To:” line (except yours).
- Sets the “Cc:” line to whatever the original “Cc:” line was in the original.
The most important thing, in either case:
- It places the original message into the body of your new message.
An Outlook.com example
Here’s an example message received in Outlook.com.
When I hit Reply, the new message I’m creating is displayed with everything set up as I just described.
The cursor is placed above the message being replied to, so whatever I type automatically goes there.
Not-so-secret number one: you can edit the original
What most people don’t realize is that everything in your new message’s body — both the original message and anything you type in reply — is editable. You can edit your reply, and you can edit the original message you’re replying to. Just click on it and make changes to your heart’s content. For example, I can change the “Here’s a message you can reply to” text from my original message to something else entirely.
Among other things, this is another example of email’s inherent lack of security — you can’t believe everything you see in an email reply (or forward).
On the other hand, this ability to “edit the original” is also a powerful mechanism for cleaning up replies or forwards. You can (and should) remove all the email addresses that the message might have been forwarded to previously, and remove anything extraneous, like signatures, to make your reply more compact and readable.
It’s also exactly what your list moderator is asking you to do: edit the original and remove it, or enough of it to meet your list’s style. One list I moderate puts it this way:
We ask that replies to messages include only about 4-5 lines of any original or quoted message – just enough for context – otherwise things quickly get confusing…
In fact, my personal preference would be a much more compact reply, placing my responses closer to the actual text they apply to.
All I need to do is click in the original message and remove anything I don’t want to include in my reply.
Not-so-secret number two: sometimes the original is hidden
I find this very frustrating, but I know of no way to turn it off when it’s in place.
For example, when you reply to a message in Gmail, it opens the reply box, but the original message is nowhere to be seen, even though it is still part of the message you’re about to send.
The trick, with Gmail, is the ellipsis – the three dots – in the small rectangle. They represent hidden content. Click on the one in the reply area, and you’ll see the original message.
Once displayed, you can click and edit the original message included as part of your reply. Gmail can get quite confusing in this regard, as they often choose to hide additional portions of a message (or a reply) using multiple boxed ellipses.
Yahoo Mail does something similar. It’s more clearly stated, but it’s often scrolled off the bottom of your edit window:
Again, regardless of whether you click on the boxed ellipsis, or “Show original message”, the original message will be included in your reply unless you explicitly edit it out.
Other obstacles
I can’t cover every email program and interface here; there are too many.
However, I can provide a couple of tips and things to consider as you manage and edit your email replies.
- If, when you reply, your email program does not automatically include the original message in your reply, look for an option (in Settings, Tools, or similar) to make it do so. This is a long-standing practice, and almost every email program or interface has this ability. Look for options like “include original when replying”. Sometimes, you’ll find options that control whether the original is indented, or automatically prefixed with a specific character to set it apart (often > or a vertical line on the left).
- As with Gmail, look for email programs and interfaces that are trying to be helpful by including but not displaying the original message. Gmail’s use of ellipsis is perhaps the most common indicator, but there may be other approaches.
- All of this applies to mobile email programs and interfaces. The concepts are the same, but the settings, options, and indicators will likely be different to fit the smaller format. The Gmail mobile app, for example, includes options to “Quote text” (include the original) and “Respond inline” (making the quoted text part of the message you’re editing).
Editing a reply: the short version
By now, I hope you see that the process is pretty simple.
- Make sure your email program or service is set to include the original text when replying.
- Reply to the message.
- Treat all of that reply — both the text of your response and the original message– as a single message.
- Click wherever in that message you want to edit — the top, bottom, or somewhere in between — and have at it.
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Mark Jacobs (Team Leo)
Just after reading this article, I answered an email in Thunderbird and discovered a feature I never knew was there. I had selected a portion of the text of the email to copy and paste into a Google search. When I clicked on reply, the reply email only included the text I had selected.
On 29.05.2015 12:44, {original sender} wrote:
| {selected text}
This seems like a good shortcut to editing an email reply in Thunderbird.
Leo
True. This also works in Gmail’s web interface. (I do it accidentally all the time 🙂 ).
Howard Kaplan
This isn’t about how to edit a reply; it’s about why. In addition to all of the usual reasons, I was recently made aware of one that hadn’t previously occurred to me. I’m on a committee in which one of the members is blind and uses a text-to-voice reader. Using my eyes, I can fairly quickly identify what part of a message is old and need not be read again. That process is much slower for someone using text-to-voice, and she complained about the unnecessary length of some of the messages that have circulated. I’ve therefore tried to encourage the committee members to keep her needs in mind when deciding how much material to quote from previous messages.
bejay
Hi read this item a couple of times. In my gmails I have looked at a few and can not see and oblong with 3 dots in on any of them. But the tip on pasting part and doing a search seems worth a try.
thanks for the advice even though I can’t see the dots
Leo
As I mentioned in the article these are simply examples of specific email services. Whatever email service you use may work entirely differently.
William Wereb
What really irritates me is the emails I receive with a hundred or more legitimate email addresses in the headers.
The spammers love to see all these addresses. I am sure you have seen the same.
When I ask some of the senders to edit them out I typically get the same answer, “I don’t know how to do that”
I have directed a number of them to your site and asked them to join and take a few minutes to read your tips.
Does it do any good, usually not. If I am sending or forwarding to more than one person my email goes out Bcc.
This comment from a 72 year old that knows that you never stop learning if you are willing to continue learning!
Keep up the good work!
andy klebpe
What does BCC stand for when replying to mails in Gmail, I was lead to beleive it removed all the e mail addresses apart from sender & reciever, Is that correct?
Mark Jacobs (Team Leo)
Bcc stands for blind carbon copy. Email addresses entered in this field are not visible to the other recipients, although the people who are Bcced can see all of the other recipients.
https://askleo.com/how_do_i_hide_the_email_addresses_im_sending_to_on_a_message/
Andy
@Mark: Bcc stands for blind carbon copy. Email addresses entered in this field are not visible to the other recipients, although the people who are Bcced can see all of the other recipients. I believe the last line should read: the people who are BCC’d can only be seen by the sender. JS. Andy
Mark Jacobs (Team Leo)
If you read carefully, I mentioned that no one can see the email address of the people in the Bcc field, but those Bcced can see all of the other recipients, ie. those not in the Bcc field.
Bill Chubb
Not so in Microsoft Outlook, Mark.
A recipient in the Bcc… field only sees him or herself.
Leo
BCC stands for blind carbon copy. Do a quick search on askleo.com for BCC and you’ll see that there are several articles discussing it.
Mike Dallwitz
I find your advice to automatically include the whole of the original in the reply then delete what you don’t want rather strange. It’s asking for trouble, in more than one sense of the phrase: you need to go to the trouble of editing it, or you may forget to edit it. Why not just add what you /do/ want, i.e. the specific point(s) to which you wish to reply? That’s what I always do. Sometimes there’s no need to add anything – the subject alone makes it clear.
Mark Jacobs (Team Leo)
The article doesn’t advise including the whole message in the reply. That’s something the email program does for you by default. If it’s easier for you to turn that off and copy and paste from the original, that’s fine. But then some people might forget to include a portion of the original email which could be very confusing to the original sender who may have sent dozens of emails. Each method had its pros and cons.
Jim Moss
The edit email for gmail works fine. One thing I noticed was that after editing and sending, the sent copy does not show the editing but the copy received by the person it was sent to does show the edit.
Fil Bernal
Great stuff here Leo! However I didn’t find the one thing I was seeking: when forwarding a Gmail note that includes pictures or graphics, and using the Respond Inline (the ONLY way I know of to remove old email addresses in Gmail), the pics and graphics will also be (automatically) deleted along with the addresses. This doesn’t happen with removal of addresses in text notes (e.g. sans graphics/pics). Very frustrating! BTW – using a Samsung Galaxy S3 phone. Is it an anomaly of the cell or Gmail?
Fil
Chess
Here is a related problem. When you change the subject line of a conversation (after replying to an email), the recipient will receive your email as PART of the previous conversation, rather than as a brand new conversation. Yahoo Mail doesn’t malfunction like this, but other email apps do. It ought to be, when you change the subject line, a new conversation is created.
Jim Nagel
If you want to start a brand new conversation (ie, a new topic) then you are wrong to “reply” to an old topic and think you can merely change the subject line. You must instead start as a NEW message.
Threading is not controlled by the subject line. Most email users do not realize that every message contains a number of “header” lines besides the familiar To, From, Date and Subject. The other ones are normally hidden, but there will be some menu option to make them visible. Have a look to familiarize yourself with what’s under the hood.
One header is “Message-ID” — every email message has a unique ID number. Other headers are “In-reply-to” and “References”, which contain the IDs of previous messages in the thread. THESE are what cause messages to be grouped into threads or conversations.
From what Chess says [Feb. 15], it looks as if it’s Yahoo Mail that DOES malfunction: it apparently confuses the purpose of the Subject header with the purpose of References.
Mark Jacobs (Team Leo)
It’s not as clear cut as that. There is no enforced standard to how a forwarded or reply email is handled when it comes to subject lines of other ways email is threaded. That’s unfortunate, but that’s the way it is.
Bill Chubb
Another great article, Leo.
I’ve used Microsoft Outlook [not outlook.com, the successor to Outlook Express] since inception.
Where I reply to a message which contains lots of questions, I start the message by saying, simply, see answers embedded below.
I then input my answer undermeath each question.
In this way it is much easier for the recipient to see my response[s] and saves me a lot of time.