8 comments on “How Can a PIN Be as Secure as a Password?”

  1. Now you can use letters and special characters in your PIN. By definition, it’s no longer a PIN, Personal Identification Number, it’s a PIP Personal Identification Password or Passphrase. 😉
    You can count on Microsoft for ridiculous naming conventions.

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  2. I’m not sure what the point of this article is, other than to promote the word “pin” over the word “password” – because it’s the current fad. If the scope of this discussion is logging into a given computer, with a local credentials, then it makes no difference what you call it – pin or password or harry. You’re doing the same thing. You’re typing in an alphanumeric text string to get access to this one computer. This usage has nothing to do with using passwords on websites, yet the article seems to conflate the two use cases. In the case of logging into a computer, your “password” can be a 4-digit number, or your “pin” can be a 20-character string. What’s in a name? Not much in this case.
    Of course, if the computer user is a dingbat and uses the computer’s login password also on website accounts, then that’s an entirely different issue. That doesn’t make a “pin” any safer, other than most websites won’t let you use a 4-digit number as a password.
    In this scope (logging into your computer), the discussion of key loggers is a tangent and makes no difference. But the article goes on talking about “Log in to a website, for example, and the keylogger records …” . So what? Are we talking about logging into a computer sitting on your desk, in your house, or are we talking about website account in a browser? That’s like mixing apples and corgis.
    The article also mentions that all bets are off if you lose possession of your computer. Well, once again, so what? Whether you use a pin or password it makes no difference. In fact, since 99.9999% of people will use a 4-digit pin, then the pin is much more Unsafe.

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  3. If you ask me, the one thing that differentiates a PIN from a Microsoft account password is that it’s only used to sign in to the specific computer it has been configured on, combined with the fact that it’s also stored locally, in your computer’s securely encrypted storage space in the local TPM device, and it only provides access to the specific computer it has been configured on, not your Microsoft account that could provide access to any Windows computer that uses your same Microsoft account as well. That’s the importance of the scope of your computer’s Windows Hello PIN. It accesses only one computer, not every machine you own, and have configured with your one Microsoft account.

    I have a Windows Hello compatible, biometric USB fingerprint scanner on each computer I own, so now I sign in with a simple swipe on the scanner’s screen on any of my computers, so I never need to enter a PIN. Additionally, I use BitWarden’s password manager, so every password I add into my vault is encrypted locally, on my computer before being stored (encrypted) in my vault on Bitwarden’s cloud, so I’m the only person who is able to access my Internet passwords unless I share my master password or PIN (I don’t!). As a side note, BitWarden allows me to set up an access PIN too, which is encrypted and stored in my vault so it can be used on any computer I’ve installed it on.

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    • The difference between a Windows login PIN and a password is that the PIN doesn’t unlock the account. It unlocks the “password” stored on that PC, which in turn logs you in to Windows. The password works anywhere you sign in to that Microsoft account, but the PIN works only on that device.

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  4. >> There’s an argument that using a PIN is more secure, since you never type your Microsoft account password into your machine. Keyloggers can’t log what you never enter.

    You’ve ignored a fairly major distinction here.

    If you ASS-U-ME that we’re all using MS account credentials to log into our computers, then perhaps this article makes sense. But if we dodge all of Microsoft’s bullying and set up the computer without a MS account login, there’s no difference between a PIN and a password. If you’re at the computer, either gets you in. Once in, you have no access to anything secured by MS account credentials. Unless you’re an idiot and use the same login for the MS account as for the computer itself. MS wants you to be an idiot. Some of us prefer not to be.

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