Iād love to run Linux. Iām ready for Linux. But Linux isnāt quite ready for me. Or perhaps even you. But itās getting closer.
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This is Leo Notenboom for askleo.net.
A couple of weeks ago I wrote an article that discussed my problems activating a copy of
Windows XP Home.
A common response has been to ask me why I even bothered? Why didnāt I just
run Linux?
I want to be very clear about something: I love Linux, I really do. For
example the servers that host Ask Leo! have run Linux for several years now.
Iām extremely comfortable using Linux.
And I do keep looking for an excuse to run it as my primary machine.
But I canāt. Iāve tried several times, and each time I give up, returning to
Windows.
The problem I keep running into is simply this: I donāt use my computer in
isolation. I keep needing to interact, either directly or indirectly, with
other machines running Windows and with other people running Windows. I need to
run applications that are available only on Windows. And even when alternatives are
available, theyāre frequently not compatible alternatives ā meaning that
seamless or even near-seamless interchange of data between Windows and Linux is
difficult at best, and in many cases simply not available. And those that claim
compatibility often have small flaws and differences that render them either
frustrating or effectively useless for my purposes.
But Iāll try again sometime in the near future, probably when I get a new
machine. No, the new machine will run Windows ā like I said, I have too many
critical dependencies on Windows ā and I believe thatās true for many people.
but itās a great opportunity to try it again on the old machine as I migrate
off.
Perhaps Iāll be able to restrict what I do on that machine to a Linux
compatible subset.
In a podcast a couple of weeks ago I also asked the somewhat rhetorical
question: What do
normal people do?
As bad as it might be for Windows users, the situation is still worse for
Linux. For most ānormal peopleā, Linux is still too much of a conceptual leap
with little to no support to fall back on. And while I absolutely recognize
that there are many support forums and resources out on the internet, my claim
is thatās actually not enough. Until thereās a family member or a local
computer store, or even a major manufacturer thatās willing to truly support
Linux, itās not something I can yet recommend for the average user.
For anyone who likes to experiment, absolutely, itās worth a try and if it
fits your needs, then by all means go for it.
Itās getting better, but recognize that it still has the feeling of a ādo it
yourselfā operating system.
And no, that doesnāt minimize any of the issues that folks have with Windows
ā it just makes Linux less of an alternative than we might want it to be.
At least for now.
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I agree with you on this Leo. Iāve been trying different distros for four years now and always come back to Windows. Every time I read about a new Linux distro upgrade or see someone saying this distro is it, I always try it out and always I am disappointed. I always have an issue with my video card or my printer or why canāt I find a graphics program that works like I want it to work. I always have to fit the way I work into the package instead of the package fitting to me. I like āplayingā with Linux but I always get tired of always trying to configure out some nagging little problem.
Just my two cents worth.
I agree with Leo on this one. Though the people at ASUS have given me hope. Their new EEE pc has a custom distro that, from what I hear, does the basics right out of the box. It handles wireless internet, word processing and web surfing without much set up. They have put this on a machine that is mostly intended for the not so tech savvy.
I feel like I should be paraphrasing Obama here, but there might be hope after all.
I have to admit to posting this comment with a linux (Mepis) operated computer. So I may be a bit biased. I do have a Win XP computer running here, that is becoming my wifes computer.
I have always run as much āopenā software as possible on my windows machines, I have used openoffice since it was Staroffice. So the transition to the programs on the Linux machines has not been much of a challenge. I have never had alot of hardware challenges, though when I had , I just found ( or bought) another piece of hardware to replace it with. (odviously, all my expensive hardware has worked) For the few windows programs I find I cannot live without (in my case this includes Photoshop and Illistrator) I simply run win xp in a virtual machine. Most of my files are on a NAS on the network. Though the windows machine and the Linux Machine connect over the network very well.
I beleave that the transition to Linux was much easier by having both machines available to use at the same time. rather than a dual boot. (Makeing partitions for the dual boot is the hardest part of installing Linux)
Lastly haveing installed windows of many flavors on many machines, and then spending hours hunting the internet to find drivers for some part, and finding it is no longer supported, expecialy on the windows you are trying to install. Installing Linux, and haveing it work, almost every time right out of the box, all your productiveity software installed, is almost a dream come true.
Leo, I do have a suggestion for you; I remember a while back you mentioned switching to Thunderbird. When I used Thunderbird I kept my Thunderbird profile on a separate FAT32 partition then told both Linux and Windows to use that profile. This way mail was seamless between Ubuntu & Windows.
You can do the same with Firefox, just be sure not to install any Windows specific extensions.
I too have the same issues as you, being a webmaster most of my work is done inside a text editor and web browser so itās not that OS dependent. The problem lies with a few programs I love not being available on Linux. RoboForm is one of them, I love that program and Linux doesnāt even have a suitable alternative.
Someday Linux will conquer. :D
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Actually I consider Firefox and Thunderbird two of my
applications that would *work*. I have mechanisms to copy my
email from machine to machine already, and the fact that I
can just copy the mail store to my Mac or to a Linux box and
have it just work is pretty damned cool. (Iām not as
concerned about Firefox customizations.)
Yep, Roboform is on the list of things I need but canāt
have. (Before subsequent commentors throw out suggestions of
alternatives, remember, I need a solution where I can copy
the database from Windows to Linux and have it work in both
places.)
Surprisingly is that for me, Visual Basic turns out to be a
huge issue relating to my wifeās business. I know thatās not
a biggie for most people.
Leo
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I recently installed Linux (Ubuntu). I must admit it wasnāt without teething problems. But I am getting used to resolving problems. I still use XP for most of my work and swing between Ubuntu and XP. I know I will eventually grasp Linux enough to switch completely (or mostly).
I say if computer savvy people start using Linux regularly, there will be enough customer pressure to create a support channel. As such there is excellent wiki or forum based support. All my teething problems were already addressed in one or more forums.
People call Linux and its distros geeky. Well I have nothing but praises for those geeks that made it possible ā both the developers and support people.
Give Linux time and support and it will hit critical mass to take off. I am confident of that.
-Rahul.
So Leo, please tell us, what programs are missing from Linux that you absolutely need Microsoft Windows for, and canāt use a FOSS application in place of.
I might point out that I know personally two ladies in their 80s who use Linux, a 9 year old boy, our post lady uses it to do her accounts, our small town local free newspaper is published on Linux, a musician friend of mine uses Linux for recording, mixing and creating music. I personally have used it for Graphic design and photographic work. I also have a media centre which I built myself with which I record and time shift tv shows.
My wife and kids are all proficient linux users. My kids have grown up on linux and know nothing else.. My friends and family, and even co-workers are simply amazed at the things I can accomplish with linux that they are clueless how to do in windows. For the family its interacting and grabbing info from the web in ways that arent possible in windows. At work, we have many problems that no one can figure out. A couple hours later Iāve got a perl script automating the process. The list goes on and on.
It sounds like you are after a free lunch. I know quite a few people that think if they stick an ubuntu cd in their computer, if they have to do any more than click ānextā 3 times in an installer window, its too hard or it wont work for them. The software is free, but experience getting to know your system is priceless. I grew up working with DOS. Using the command prompt on XP is horrendous. I cant accomplish anything.
For those apps that you may need, theres always VMware, wine, or any of the other windows virtualizers.
Dont give up so easily, you only get out what you put in. Your initial config may take some time, but once your up and running I think youād be surprised how well things workā¦.
Have you tried using WINE or buying CrossOver from CodeWeavers for those Windows apps you canāt live without? Iāve been running Kubuntu for a couple years, and Mandriva before that. I only plugin my XP drive about every three months or so when I have to send an email to my coworkers from home, since the web client for the horrible email system they use wonāt work properly in Firefox or Konqueror.
Leo, as I write this I am using Novell SLED 10 SP1. I am also running Windows 2000 inside a virtual machine with VMWare server. This solution probably would not have saved you from the activation difficulties (or it might have because once you have the VM configured you can save a copy of it and restore it when needed). I also work in a Windows centric environment. I look forward to Linux and FOSS having more resources for use in assistive learning situations. My primary regret is that my math and programming skills are more than dismal.
One thing that Linux is great for is experimenting with older hardware. I have revived old machines that were basically useless as windows boxes by adding linux. I set up an old PIII Dell with only 128 mb of RAM running in my house, and my family just uses it for browsing the web in firefox and occasionally editing documents in openoffice. When I buy new PCs, I buy them with the current copy of Windows, but I also usually end up adding linux to the older box that is being replaced.
Iāve recently thought allot about this while starting my blog:
http://LinuxLatitude.blogspot.com
Of course I am a Linux user for years, so I may not be totally objective. Another poster asked, what specific applications you need that donāt run on Linux (natively or in Wine)?
I would be interested in an article that fairly presents the downside of Linux. Sounds like you might be objective enough to flesh out this viewpoint.
Itās all about perception, more often than not, and not so much about ācritical appsā.
If you think that the open source world doesnāt have a version of your favorite app, look again tomorrow. Or, consider a different way of doing the same thing. For instance, a web-app. Youād be amazed at how simple and productive it can be running a local Apache web server. Youāll have scores of thousands of applications that you could āinstallā and I know you will find what you thought you were missing.
The thing is, most people āknowā that they canāt do without Windows. I always laugh at that. Itās the same crowd that believes that they learned everything they had to to succeed in life by the time 10th grade came along.
Whereas I can certainly respect adherance to a favorite app, itās the āI wonāt changeā mentality that kills me.
I said that once, too. Then I got married.
Debian repositories contain more than 20 thousand software titles. If you canāt find what youāre looking for, hire a coder to make it for you. Itās a whole lot less expensive than you think, especially considering the licensing fees and program costs that most Windows have consistently been paying throughout their computer usage lives.
Funny how an appliance has turned a population into Windows or Linux or Mac zealots.
Rock on.
āmachiner
Shame you didnt specify what the shortcomings were. I for my part switched to SUSE in 2001, then to one of the first versions of Ubuntu, and have never looked back. The stability and speed I get out of my (now ageing) laptop is just amazing. All software packages I download are free software as well, and I can fullfil any computing need I require on this basis. When Iām forced to use XP or Vista at the workplace or a friendās house, I am always surprised just how unstabled and closed and rigid it all is. Vista in particular is a pile of junk. Why would anyone pay (lots of) money for this, if there are free, more stable and secure alternatives that run well on older harware? MS, your days are counted..
Perhaps getting into the Unix ethos will help your view of Linux. Linux was not designed to be an alternative to Windows (i.e. be like Windows), it was designed to be a powerful desktop version of Unix. If youāre using Openoffice.org and seeking compatibility with Windows applications, you want ReactOS, not Linux.
Every week I read another ānot ready for prime timeā article and they all say the same things that are (a) not true and (b) donāt apply to most Linux users I know. For the former, see all the examples above of family members who use Linux with no problems; for the latter, consider that most Linux users I know have never used Windows or at least never enjoyed it. They were always searching for something that actually worked the way they thought it should, i.e. like Unix. If youāre happy to point and click and drag and drop a few, then Iām sure Windows poses no problems for you; however if you want to rename a few hundred files out of several thousand that fit certain criteria, then youāre better off with a Unix paradigm. Even if you prefer to drag and drop, Linux has ROX-filer, Nautilus, Konqueror, Thunarā¦
Most Linux users donāt use word processors or spreadsheets. Donāt think that you need to have those things to be productive on a computer.
The real problem with Linux adoption for āregular peopleā is that regular people donāt understand how computers work. They think Firefox is an operating system. They donāt understand that Gmail is not located on their machines: my mother is visiting our family this week, and insists on checking her email on her laptop, despite its battery problems and unreliable wireless connection, because she thinks Iāll be able to read her email if she uses my computer. Sheās an otherwise intelligent person, and spends a lot on computer software and hardware. Those are the people the computer industry is catering to: thatās why ISPs and phone companies are able to make virus protection a selling point. Theyāre selling to people who donāt understand why thatās not a feature. They donāt know people like me, who were sending pictures in email (ooh! what a feature!) since long before the concept appeared in ads for Windows XP; and they donāt know that it has nothing to do with the operating system.
I forgot to mention, I run 2 linux laptops, two desktops, one linux server (in the cellar without a monitor ā thats not even possible on MS server) and I didnāt have to pay one cent/penny/eurocent/rappen whatever in licensing fees. Furthermore, most of this hardware was revived from the 90s. If I did that on the monopolistsā products, Iād run up a bill going into the hundres of USD/EUR/GBP and a hardware bill to the same sum.
Enjoy the freedom of GNU/Linux!
I think what youāre really saying here is that a Linux box is not yet a drop-in replacement for a Windows machine. Thatās very true, and Microsoft does everything in its power to assure that it always will be. I suggest that for people who are locked into MS/Windows-only software, replacing Windows with Linux and having it work exactly the same is a dream that will never be realized. Linux is not Windows (and I hope it never is). So if only Windows does what you want to do, then I say use it.
What I fail to see is how that translates to the notion that Linux is somehow inferior, ānot yet ready for the average userā. Iāve used Linux exclusively for my home/work machines (Iām an independent consultant/developer) for more than five years, and found it perfectly adequate for everything I do. Over that time, Iāve helped people whose Windows machines had experienced āWindows rotā or were compromised by various forms of malware to either convert to Linux or to buy a new box with Linux pre-installed. They all adapted quickly to their new environment. And they have required very little support, because a Linux doesnāt degrade over time or become readily compromised the way Windows does. I used to get lots of dinner invitations that turned out to include a request to fix a broken Windows install. Now that I support only Linux, my social calendar has far fewer entries. Oh, and in those five years, the only reboots Iāve done have followed kernel updates. And Iāve never had to wipe a hard drive and reinstall because it stopped working.
I have often thought that people feel that they need a support system for their computer mainly because all they know is Windows. As a result, they think itās normal for computers to be erratic and unreliable, and to need constant repair. While that is true of Windows, itās not the case for Linux. Once get the box set up, and it just works. And it keeps working. A couple of my āaverageā users, having discovered that Linux allows them, with a little effort, to make the computer work exactly the way they want it to, have progressed beyond the āaverageā levelāand now encourage others do the same. Itās amazing what people will do for themselves when they realize they have the power to do it. And Linux affords them that power.
So my experience leads me to submit that itās a mistake to think that Linux requires the vast support network that is necessary to keep Windows machines running. Support is absolutely needed, yes, but far less of it will suffice. Most of it goes into setup, very little into maintenance. And I wouldnāt so lightly dismiss the support available on the Web. In my work I still use and program for Windows (Oh, the pain!), and I generally find it easier to Google the information that I need to get something working on Linux than for an equivalent Windows item. The difference, to my mind, stems from the fact that Free software is created mainly by users for users, while proprietary software is created by marketers to be marketed; the one to use, the other to sell. That cultural distinction carries over into support, where the users of Linux are very forthcoming in posting their experiences on the Web for the benefit of others, whereas vendors view support as another revenue streamā¦have your credit card ready!.
āItās getting better, but recognize that it still has the feeling of a ādo it yourselfā operating system.ā
Iām afraid this is just utter tosh. Linux looks fabulous these days and is far more secure and stable than Windows, so to say it has a do-it-yourselfā feel to it is just bizarre.
You donāt actually say what it is you canāt do on Linux which strikes me that youāre afraid to say as people will just point out you *can* do the things you think you canāt.
āAnd even when alternatives are available, theyāre frequently not compatible alternatives ā meaning that seamless or even near-seamless interchange of data between Windows and Linux is difficult at best, and in many cases simply not available. ā
The problem I find with this is that, again, you donāt give any examples of what you canāt transfer over. There may be a one-off data-format changeover, but after that you will be up and running.
When I talk to people about this, they get really afraid that they use Microsoft Word and then proceed to tell me they write the odd letter with it, blissfully unaware that there are lots of perfectly good, open source alternatives that will work better than Word. As someone above says, if you *have* to Redmondās overpriced wares, you can run Crossover Office for the Office Suite.
Iāve not touched Windows at home for two or so years now and I write embedded software, layout PCBs, write simple GUI apps, surf, send-emails, so database apps, use word processors etc etc and I have no problems whatsoever. Wine and dosbox do me for two old apps I still like. In time there will open source apps to replace them.
Iāve read a lot of peopleās opinions on why Linux āisnāt readyā over the years, and this one isnāt much different. I understand Leoās concerns about interoperability, and I can certainly understand why that would make it hard to switch. But thereās a subtle double-standard when you say Linux āisnāt readyā because it doesnāt interoperate with Windows seamlessly. Is Windows ānot readyā because it doesnāt interop with Linux? I can think of several of my favorite Linux apps that donāt run on Windows. Is Windows ānot ready?ā OpenOffice doesnāt flawlessly render .doc files ā how does MS office do on ODF files? Oh, doesnāt even open themā¦ hmmmm. Office must not be readyā¦
The truth is, it takes two to tango. If youāre waiting for Linux to interop with Windows flawlessly before you give it a shot, keep waiting. Microsoft, despite their recent attempt to be seen as āopen-source friendlyā, will never let that happen. But if youāre in a position to cut loose of Microsoft and try something different, Linux will make you happy Iām sure. If youāre not ready to write a āDear Billā letter, then probably you canāt switch. Sorry. But please donāt perpetuate the myth that Linux āisnāt readyā because Microsoft doesnāt want to dance.
To those who say Open Office isnāt compatible with MS office. Have you done the MS office compatibility tweaks in Open Office writer? Just google it. And by the way ODF is gaining support all over the world (and according to Microsoft they will support it)Linux/Open Office is being used with great success by millions of individuals and companies. Ubuntu Linux is more than ready for my needs. I wouldnāt trust my data on a Windows box anyway.
Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colours from our sight.
Red is grey and yellow white,
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?
So is it Linux that is not up to Windows standards? Or, is it Windows that is lagging behind Linux?
After all itās good to know you will be trying this time after time in the future again ;-)))
Surely there are applications not running āout-ofthe-boxāāseamlesslyā between the operating systems, so everybody has to choose weather he/she is willing to put some time and attention to get things running. When I take a view back how much time and money I had to spend to protect my windows system against malware of any kind, getting bugs out of applications, getting bugs out of windows,prevent windows from collecting and transferring my personal data ā¦ā¦ I prefer to learn something more about linux and get some applications running (maybe not āseamlessā out of the box, but sooner or later). Yes , not too easy in some cases, there are also sometimes some problems within the hardware detection ( I have a need for a new scanner for instance, but this is an old machine anyway) ā but vista is also not running properly on non-up-to-date machines . But an up-to-date linux system is FAR AWAY from a ādo-it-yourselfā operating system. Try kanotix-rc8, mandriva 2008.1, ubuntu of course , open suse 10.3 ā¦
All these systems are developing much faster than any windows system and will not be āsooner or laterā able to fulfill the needs of an āaverage userā, they are doing it right now or will do very soon.
Missing support ? No problem : I have to pay
some 100 euros for a windows system, I pay 40-60 euros for a mandriva or suse and receive professional support to get the system and applications running . So, ādo-ityourselfā is not a persuasive argument , you have to do a lot by yourself either with your windows keeping it alive and stable, bug-free and half-way-safe . The only remaining reason for me to keep a windows installation on a second partition with no internet acess is : there are much more high quality graphic games for windows than for linux.
The game developers did their work foremost for windows, of course, the most selling system, here they can find the most customers and profit.
I communicate with Windows and Mac users daily. I use PDF for documents, spreadsheets and diagrams. My presentations are done in Impress. I donāt email my presentations out, I usually present themā¦
If someone sends me a doc or xls I ask for a pdf of these even though I can read them. People must learn to use standard tools and MS office isnāt a standard.
Iāve been using Linux exclusively since 2001.
Cheers,
Alex C.
What about the Macintosh? Thereās also very limited support available, there are lots of Windows programs not available for it, and you absolutely must buy a new computer for it.
If you look, youāll find local people who are knowledgable with Linux. In my travels, I occasionally mention Ubuntu to people, and they say things like āOh, I use Gentooā or āYouāre a smart guy, why arenāt you using Debian?ā. Iām sure there are people out there silently providing support for Macs, but I donāt run into them.
I purposely migrated from Mac/Windows to Linux, over a period of about a year. At the end, I have checked every box: Literally everything i need to do, I can do on Linux. You name it: Video editing, DVD authoring, putting songs and video onto my MP3 player, VoIP, network server, photo editing, home recording (I play classical guitar).
As someone who has been using Windows and DOS before that, MACs and Apple IIās before that and Unix and Linux for over 25 years, I say they all have their issues.
If you are use to Windows, the Mac and Linux can be a little frustrating. If you are use to the Mac, Windows and Linux can be frustrating.
I used to have my server Linux based. The security was better than Windows and so were some of the drivers. But I had issues connecting my Macs to it. Windows 2000 worked okay.
So I went back to Windows. With MAC OSX I am considering giving it another look.
To be honest, I have no idea what Vista will do with it. I have a hard enough time with Vista connecting to my XP machines.
It all comes down to what are you comfortable with. I think the average user has a hard enough time with Windows. Linux would freak them out.
Now, take a kid who started on Linux and learning Windows is not so daunting.
I have found this from experience. It is much, much easier to teach a Windows user the Macintosh than it is to teach a Mac user Windows.
What does that tell us?
I have many similar thoughts as Leo. I have been experimenting and trying to learn Linux for a few months now. It is hard as well as rewarding. However, like Leo I am tied to applications that I have to work with that are Windows only applications. I donāt have time to learn how to use Wine or virtual software when I need to get some work done. I have looked at and dealt a little with apps like Open Office but when I need to get some work done I have to revert to Excel. I know how to do it in Excel. Open Office Calc is similiar to Excel but the learning curve demands more time than I have to get my work done. I am going to continue to work with Linux but I am not able at this time to break completely from Windows.
For Windows applications on Linux, let me suggest the free VMware server software. Only problem is installing it ā instructions are in Linux-ease and you have to know the local dialect. :-)
You can also use the free VMware converter software to convert your current Windows machine into a virtual machine. This avoids re-installing your favorite Windows applications, not to mention purchasing another copy of Windows. Itās not a painless operation, but not too bad either.
Thanks to all the contributors for their answers. Iāve been searching Google un-systematically for a while trying to find out why I should change from Windows to one of those other systemsā¦sort of reverse selling, if you will. Your answers have convinced me that for my unsophisticated needs Windows is more than sufficient. Thanks, Leo, and all. :D
I, too have tried switching over a couple of times. I have no problem using Open Office or the other apps. My problems started with the peripheral hardware: scanner, printer, camera and especially my wireless GSM modem. No support for it to be found. For me, thatās the rub. I need my access to the net. I havenāt tried a work-around like VM virtual box, thoughā¦
I have on this drive XP,Mepis and desktop BSD,I use GRUB to boot into whatever system I want.
Linux is ready,it came of age a few years ago,using the command line turns out to be fun,you just copy and paste the commands,its a doddle.On the other drive on this box I have Debian Etch4 which is what I am on nowā¦the answewr is keep your XP and have a dual boot system,I read on Ian Murdock,s blog that he uses XP as well and it turns out that a lot of Linux users including me do as wellā¦but I like to think that Linux is my main operating system of which I have around ten systems.
On a dual boot system you install Xp first then your chosen distro,I recommend Ubuntu 8.04 which should be released some time this month.
Ubuntu and loads of other distros are in a live CD format so you can try them out without changing anything on your computerā¦perhaps Leo will tell us how to set up your BIOS to boot up a live CD.
Tried to install ubuntu latest (7.??) and found routine nightmare. List of unfamiliar formats, need to format two partitons, one for system, one for swap and then the whole thing froze. Live CD just doesnāt seem to support my netgear wireless router. I like the idea of moving off windows but not this way. Why they canāt have a setup that simply allows installation on one partition separate to XP and set up dual boot AUTOMATICALLY is something I canāt figure. Very few folk, I suspect, are going to jump past Live CD operation to trying Ubuntu on their hard drive and ditch windows at the same time. Still there is always the next issue of Ubuntu to try out I suppose.
Ubuntu 8.04 is easy to install especially if you get a second drive and āuse the entire driveā most distros will install happily without the swap using only one partitionā¦its a question of RTFM,read up on what you are trying to do before you do itā¦
Having said that I think Ubuntu is installable nect to XP as it will offer to sort everything out for you.
A second drive is plug and play if you have set the BIOS to auto detectā¦for beginners Google BIOS and begin to find out.
Where there is a will there is a way,its usually easier than you first thought.
Most people just want to use their computer.
Plug it in, turn it on, run.
While someday there may be a version of Unix that is simple and easy to use, without work arounds, that day has not come yet.
I think the only way Unix will really get into the main stream is if someone sells it, and supports it as a real company would do.
Open source is ok for geeks to play around with, but most people need a real company to support what they use.
I am trying out with linux and i do agree with leo about having lots of dependencies on windows. I however believe that the choice should be based on what you want to achieve. Id advise a student in computer science, or a knowledge hungry individual to go for linux whilst id advise the average office lad to go on Windows. With linux, you are forced to understand some concepts of computers that have been āobfuscatedā by the seemingly magical windows. In a nutshell, because im learning and want to learnā¦..i use linux in my spare time :-)
I would love to try Linux one day when it will be able to support Autodesk software. Untill thenā¦ I have no other choice but Windows.
Why not run Linux? Itās the best all we have to do as customers is demand things to be Linux compatible. I am sick of Windows running the world. Companies have got to make our products work with our programs.
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Am running with Linux this instantā am totally non-intuitive re computer lingo which is why iām interested in this site (to learn)ā anyway, my spouse is the IT guru, with a preference for Linux and Ubuntu, which I also prefer for internet use.Itās plethora of add-ons for working with my language studies, graphics interests etc are on-tap. However, I do need Microsoft as well, to run my digitising sewing programmes with machine compatibility.Sometimes I use Microsoft for the internet because I may wish to later use some of my sewing design formats or other windows compatible files, but find it more problematical than Linux, which rarely has ānon respondingā or shut down problems.Many of my old Windows programmes are irreplaceable and those that are, could cost extraordinary amounts of $ās with extra features I dont need or want.Unfortuneately for most of us, there seems to be a push for us to- update or do without-.
Iād like to recommend mandriva for beginners. I just installed last week and it was ridiculously easy. Everything worked without any tweaking and Iām posting from it right now.
Linux is supported by a major buisnessā¦ Novel???? And OpenSuse Novel created OpenSuse and still supports itā¦ Iāve heard a lot of windows junkies complain that out of the box its not supporting their softwareā¦. Ever try Google? I got all my hardware working for linux. Somtimes you have to go online and search for your answers. I got my Linksys WRT54G wireless router working. All you have to do is google search the stock password on it go to your web browser and pop in the ip of your router put in the password and change stuff from thereā¦.. Including the password for configurationsā¦. OMG that was easy. LOL. I will say this however. If you donāt know how to open up cmd and use it donāt think about linuxā¦ Its not idiot proof on the sole basis that your not going to find any help unless you know what to type in a search query. If you want to make the leap a good start is OpenSuse. Their forums are full of support and my second option to start some one on is Ubuntu. After that Madriva. Keep in mind that Linux is very very very customizableā¦ Meaning its not ready out of the box for everyone.. For some it is.For me its an adventure.
For anyone wanting to try Linux without āmessingā about with mbrās & partitioning try Puppy Linux
http://www.puppylinux.org/home
forums:- http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/index.php
Coexists with ntfs ā the painless way of trying Linux!
See also Lin n Win ā http://www.icpug.org.uk/national/linnwin/contents.htm to enable dual/triple etc booting ā still no partitioning or modifying of the mbr.
Iāve only been using Linux a short while but recommend the above ā they have the most helpful forums Iāve ever come across.
After trying out 16 or 18 versions, I have found that Xandros 3.02 works very well for ānewbiesā to Linux. Iāve installed it on machines donated to refugee families our church is sponsoring and they seem to be able to use it with little or no difficulty. It looks and feels very much like Windows XP. Particularly if what the user primarily wants is Internet access, e-mail capability, and an Office-like suite (included with most, if not all, Linux distributions), Xandros will suit them well. Itās all-but-automatic to install and takes little installation time. The only customization needed was to clear some shortcuts from the desktop. Another fine performer in the Linux camp is Ubuntu 8.04. Either is available for less than $2.00, plus the inevitable shipping and handling. Sorry if this sounds like a commercial, but after years of searching for a bridge from Windows to Linux, these two versions seem to be more seamless in transition than any Iāve found.
I donāt really understand the problem people have using Linux. I have run one or another version of Linux on my computers for over three years now. This past year, I deleted all versions of Windows and sent the to āMicrosoft Heavenā where I think all Microsoft products belong.
I currently use SUSE 11.1 on both my PC and Laptop. It functions much more smoothly than Windows ever did, and the support is excellent. There is never a problem, that I cannot solve by checking the forums. I donāt understand people who claim Linux is not āuser friendlyā. I found all my software applications ( and could pick and try out each as Linux is freeware! If something did not work, I tried something else. I do video editing and photo editing on my computer. I have found applications that do this better, and just as easily as any Windows software, and all for free. I would never use Windows again!
Thank you so much! I had exactly exactly same problem as you. Iām actually running both XP and Ubuntu, and it was jarring how difficult XP was to set up compared to the painless process Ubuntu was.
And I thought Linux was the complex, confusing OS?!
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I agree: Iād love to run Linux as well. I firmly believe that someday in the future, Linux will be as easy to use as (and interchangeable with) Windows, at which point Linux will become as dominant as Windows is today. There can be no doubt about it: Windows can only lose.
But I tried to run Ubuntu several times on a Virtual Machine and even something as simple as installing the Flash plugin for FF takes me hours to figure out. There is simply too much of a learning curve.
I also have the difficulty with using software thatās only available on Windows, like music and graphical software (creation and notation of music in CuBase and Finale, and programs like Photoshop). If just installing a Flash plugin takes so much trouble, I donāt have any confidence in using an emulator to run Windows programs under Ubuntu.
Also, I tried using OpenOffice instead of MS Office, and noticed that theyāre not 100% compatible yet (this was in 2008). Editing and saving a spreadsheet created in MS Office didnāt work correctly in OpenOffice. (Although, a way around it may be to use have the Excell user export the spreadsheet as a CSV file and import that in Calc.)
So, I agree completely with the article. However, Iāll keep on trying to use Ubuntu, and am hopeful Google is coming up with a Linux based OS, which hopefully means Linux will become more widespread.
As soon as it is possible, Iāll switch to a Linux based OS.
May I suggest a book here? Itās written by the creator of the Linux kernel, Linus Torvalds, and called āJust for Fun (The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary)ā. Itās a very entertainig, insighftul and non-technical book about the humble origins of Linux.
I have run several Linux ādistroāsā, as they are called. But going from 10 years of using Windows to a whole different platform was way too much of a learning curve for me. Executing downloads was a nightmare, installing printers the same. I could browse the Web, check my emails, shop online, etc. But with Linux, you donāt get the very latest browsers (Firefox, in my case), and you donāt get many of the apps that Windows has to offer. And the most important thing, Professional Support. All that you have are the forums, and you may get 20 answers to one simple question. And not to put anyone down for it, but a lot of the replies were in broken English. And the top dogs of Linux, they look like members of the Manson family. Any of you ever seen Richard Stallman? A self proclaimed atheist at that. That didnāt even belong in the forums. The Free Software Movement? Sure, who wouldnāt like free software. But once again, whereās the professional support. Thatās my point. We NEED support for the OS of our choice, and with the exception of a couple of paid versions, Linux doesnāt do it for me. Who knows, I may have had as much trouble with a Mac OS. But at least I would have access to professional support. No, I just got a new PC with Windows 7 on it, and I upgraded my laptop (the same make & model as Leoās) to Windows 7 as well. Itās worked out well for me, and if I do have a problem, itās a phone call away.
I installed Ubuntu 12.10 five days ago. Dual boot. Fell in love with it on seeing the splash screen :P. Looked on in awe as it finished setup in twenty minutes from a flash drive, and then I logged in. Lightning-fast startup speed (including app loading speed), pretty interface, and almost everything you need already installed. What more could one ask for? :) The only hassle is installing apps sometimes, like VLC ā took me an hour and a half on my dadās PC to find all the installation packages since my laptop wasnāt configured to connect to the Internet and take those automatically; besides, I prefer to have a safety net and know that I can install things offline as well. Thatās the only thing I wish could be fixed, or at least a place to get all the correct and necessary packages to install apps. Firefox and Thunderbird provide their .tar.bz2 archives for this, I wish there was something like that for other apps (if anyone reading this knows where, Iād be deeply indebted if you could tell me). Otherwise, I have no complaints about Ubuntu and Linux distros. LibreOffice looks and works as good or better than MS Office (the only thing better about Office is the 2010 icons, I feel :D). Now I only turn on Windows to update my antivirus and play my favourite games.
I totally agree with you, Leo, and the others who feel Linux can overtake Windows: Linux rocks! And it isnāt just for geeks, I say.