I’m not sure everybody would agree that simply picking an arbitrary date in the past makes something not relevant.
Miscommunication, misunderstanding, and lack of information abound when it comes to the dates that appear on internet content. I’ll clarify.
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Dates may not mean anything
First, there’s no requirement that all webpages be dated. There’s no part of the search protocol that includes the date a webpage was created.
Worse: if there is a date, there’s nothing that defines what the date actually means.
For example, it’s possible that search results use the date of the most recent update. In other words, if I open a three-year-old article that I wrote for Ask Leo! and make a simple change (say, correct a spelling error), then that’s the date my server reports to services like Google. Even though the article was written three years ago, today’s date could appear in the search results. That’s not very helpful.
Content value can’t always be determined by the date
Website and content producers also don’t want to focus on the date. Why? They don’t want you to set aside or ignore content that would otherwise be truly valuable if all you did was look first for the date.
Some content on the internet is evergreen. It doesn’t really matter when you read it; the information is still valuable.
I strive for that in my articles.
When dates are helpful
Conversely, I understand why a date could be helpful. In fact, that’s why all Ask Leo! articles have a date down at the bottom. If I do a major revision of the article, you’ll see two dates: one indicates when the article was last revised, and another displays the original publication date.
Unfortunately, there’s no way to give the search engines that information, and if there were, it would be abused by people trying to game the system.
However, there is something you can do with Google that may help you with what you’re trying to accomplish here.
Refining your search on Google
When you search for something, go directly to Google.com and then do the following things:
- Search for what you want.
- At the top of the results, you’ll see a small bar. To the right of that is something called “Search tools.”
- Click that.
- In the resulting display, you will see an “Any time” item.
Click that, and you can restrict the results to the time periods provided. I think that will help you get what you want.
Except there’s still no telling what a date actually means.
Dates still really don’t mean anything
We really don’t know what date Google uses. It could be restricting content by the date of creation. It could be the date that it was updated, even if only to correct a typo in a three-year-old article. It could be the date Google found it, which in many cases is not necessarily the date that it was created.
Remember, Google constantly searches the web for content to put into its indexes, but it’s not instantaneous. Especially with sites that aren’t getting traffic yet, Google may not check more than once a month or so. More popular sites (like Ask Leo!, thankfully) are usually scanned multiple times a day.
So, you have to be careful with what you’re doing, but Google may be able to help out at least a little with some information relating to the date.
Again, I do want to caution you that over-reliance on date may not be as good as you think it might be.
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To DCT 08-13-2013
Obviously the chronological date for research is very important. While the web is quite good for doing research, it is interesting that accurate dates cannot be assured. Could it be that **some** techies are getting back at liberal arts type persons?
Leo – when our time changes from Greenwich Mean Time to British Summer Time, or back, suddenly all the saved files in a ‘briefcase’ need to be updated to a wrong time, i.e. one hour either side. This is particularly annoying for example where it is desirable to know the exact time when a photograph was taken. Is there any way to prevent this?
Go to the Control Panel and click “Date and Time”, then click the “Change time zone settings”, finally check the box which says”Automatically adjust clock for daylight savings time.” The process might be slightly different for a different version of Windows.
Dear Leo,
I would like to replace the XP Explorer. The search function of the XP version of Explorer does not work for me. In Windows 2000, it was easy to search my local disk for files. Not so in XP. That “dog” can’t find its nose with both paws. Where is a decent search engine for my local computer that works effectively as it did in 2000 where I could specify a particular subdirectory to search and use wildcards?
Thank you,
David Parker
David,
You can’t replace Windows Explorer, but there are alternatives. Here are two articles that may help you with that:
http://ask-leo.com/is_it_possible_to_get_microsoft_to_add_features_to_windows_explorer.html
http://ask-leo.com/how_do_i_find_a_file_on_my_computer_in_windows_xp.html
Thanks, Leo, for another helpful and meaningful article. I enjoy your thoughtful discourses.
On another note, I notice that many of your words using apostrophes in your newsletter, viewed in my Thunderbird mail client, show a space instead of an apostrophe. In looking at this article on the web, apparently it’s curly apostrophes that show up in the newsletter as a space instead of as an apostrophe. When you occasionally used a straight apostrophe (‘), that showed up properly.
Perhaps you might want to consider not using curly apostrophes and quotes, to prevent that situation, since it looks strange to see something like “Content value can t always be determined by the date” in the newsletter.
Just trying to be helpful.
Feel free to delete this if you don’t want it shown publicly.
In academic search, the date is very meaningful. After all, if say searching for income data, a six year old article is not very useful.
In cases like that, you can check the date after you’ve downloaded the article. And as Leo mentioned, if the search results did show a date, which date would Google display?
A date is necessary for anything that could be affected by information that is relative to the date it was created compared to the current date it is accessed. seems very rudimentary. Of corse if you are being paid because of someone opening or viewing it that would be a disadvantage. Follow the money!
Many undated articles are used by political groups, promoters of personal products, and sensationalist publications (Checkout ‘rags’) to promote their agenda and mislead (spin) information. For this reason alone the articles should be required to display an original publication date. Most links to undated articles are devised as ‘clickbait’. The attempt to sway opinion based on outdated or incomplete information may not be illegal, but is definitely unethical.
Unfortunately what’s to keep the original publication date from being inaccurate?
Any date is better than no date, because the article can be researched and scrutinized for accuracy and completeness for anyone who cares to do so. One undated article was titled “Court decision spells bad news for so-and-so”, but it turned out to be 2 years old and water under the bridge. The person submitting this apparently wanted to invoke ill will toward the person in question, and the unfortunate fact is there are people who blindly accept half truths and innuendo as truth. An original publication date would make them more receptive to the relevancy of the article.
Not so sure I agree with that. A wrong date can be used to mislead the reader.
As can no date. Good debate friends! I will keep reading Leo’s articles and commenting whenever I feel the need to exercise my grey matter!
You do realize the comment you are responding to is 244 years old :-) .
Is a misleading (intentionally or otherwise) date really better than no date at all?
I do an enormous amount of professional research on the internet. I feel ‘robbed’ when a headline/title tries to entice me to read the underlying article or publication that came out 10 or twenty years ago! And this is happening on a daily basis. No hard-copy publication ever attempted to omit its creation date, lest it forgo its legitimacy! This will eventually need to be legislated.
The matter of dating information presented on the internet is pretty basic stuff. If there is no reference to a date, this should cause alarm bells to go off. Move on to more relevant enterprises that take responsibility for there writings. The decent sources, and depth of information available on today’s web, provide a myriad of choices. One need not stoop to the lowest common denominator.
Simply ask yourself, why would any competent source want to create vagary, especially when it comes to “the when” !
I’m not agreeing with it, but the “reason”, as outlined above, is very simple: too many people rely solely on a date as a criterion for relevance. To put it bluntly, that’s wrong. The date is important, and an important part of people’s criteria determining whether the information will be useful, but it is not the only criteria. In my opinion it should be published, but I don’t fault websites too much if they choose not to. Some information is timeless, or sufficiently so, that a date all too often distracts the date-myopic visitors.
Having taught English writing, I’ve found that it’s not required for a website to have a publication date to be used as source material. I was surprised when I learned that.
Dates can be helpful on technical articles because tech changes so much. But, as Leo said, some article from years ago are still relevant.