I looked at the information for my computer in Disk Management. It shows my
hard disk has three partitions (I’ve included a screen shot.) The first is
unnamed and is 39 MB Healthy (OEM); the second is Recovery with 14.65 GB; and
the third is OS (C:) at 283.40 GB.
- What is the 39 MB partition?
- Does it contain some kind of read information about the hard drive itself?
Seems too small to serve any kind of operational function. - What keeps a virus or other malware from “jumping” from one partition to
another? - Is it a valid concern that the recovery partition might itself become
infected? If the bad guys are so adept at creating malware what’s to prevent
them from installing something that corrupts everything, leading the
unsuspecting user to reinstall the malware via the recovery partition or the
system image?
What you’re seeing is common for machines from many of the major
manufacturers – as hard disks have grown in size they’ve begun setting aside
portions of the drive for recovery purposes.
Exactly what each partition contains is up to the specific manufacturer –
there’s no standard. In your case, I’ll take a guess to what Dell is up to. I’ll
also explain why I ignore these partitions, and then remove them should I ever
reformat a machine containing them.
And while I’ve addressed the malware and
partitions question before, it’s an important one worth revisiting as it
actually relates somewhat to why I typically remove the partition.
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That first partition is the boot manager – the one that allows you to choose between the normal boot and the Recovery partition. On Dells it’s an older implementation of LILO.
Hi Leo, Thanks for the great newsletter service.
I set up new computers for our company and one thing I do is to place all the system documentation, system recovery and other software discs into a labeled 6×9 envelope and place that inside the computer case – usually on the side behind the motherboard, making sure not to interfere with any wiring, or air flow for cooling. Then I place a label on the outside of the case that says “System Info & Recovery CD’s behind this panel”. That way, maybe years later, after the machine has moved around some, the original CD’s can always be found if they are needed for service.
In the case of Dell, pressing F8 to get to the recover options gives you more than just the ability to restore to factory image. It also gives you a command prompt. I use that command prompt to run chkdsk /f on the data drive (which is not C: in this scenario). You can also go back to prior system restore points and a few other things. (I would have to reboot my computer to remember all of them.) That’s on a Win7 Pro machine, by the way.
Leo, and others, keep recommending you insist on getting a install CD/DVD with the purchase of a new machine. However, for many of us who buy their machine at a “box” store, that seems to be next to impossible. We are stuck with the next two options. 1)Create a set of ‘recovery discs’, and 2) order a set from the manufacturer (at a cost). Both of those have the advantage of having the specific drivers for that machine, and the disadvantage of having the clutter the manufacturer installed at the onset.
Purchasing a ‘built’ machine from smaller retailers gives you more options, but at a financial burden. There are two more options I use. If it’s new, after I have it configured/cleaned up the way I want, I clone it. Bingo, a recovery disc you can use to clone back to your machine after the ‘disaster’.
Also, I was fortunate enough to have access to a ‘Original’ windows disc which I copied. The key I did not worry about because the machines I fix have their own ‘valid’ key. This should be a perfectly legal option as you are restoring the ‘original’ OS to a legal ‘originally keyed’ machine.
As a relatively new reader, I find a lot of helpful information. The questions may seem a bit naive, but your expanded answers either confirm what I thought I knew, or give me very good extended insight as to the workings of these little beasts called computers. This whole area of hidden partions, backups, and restoring has been a source of confusion. Of all the rescue disks I have made, none have worked. Now I understand. Thank you very much for sharing your extensive knowledge.
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Though these ‘recovery’ partitions (they ought to be called ‘reinstall’ partitions as you can’t recover anything with them) are a bit of a nuisance, they do have their uses. It’s well known that secondhand computers can have a lot of information left on the hard drive. and it’s not impossible for it to be infected, so a complete ‘factory-fresh’ reinstall clears everything – at least as far as the average user is concerned. Yes it takes time to do all the updates, but at least you know you have a clean machine. I’ve done this several times for family members and friends who have acquired computers in the secondhand market.
I don’t know if the ‘recovery disks’ you are urged to create are any good – I’ve never had to use them – but one Packard Bell I set up wouldn’t let me create another set (despite it nagging me to do so…) so if he original owner made them and didn’t pass them on to you, you may have a problem…
However, as you suggest, there’s no real alternative to proper backups for total security.
I agree you should leave it alone unless absolutely necessary… I believe in redundancy to the point to stupidity and the “stupidity” mentioned is usually executed by my own hand. If you have multiple backups usually the initial one made of a system is on an “older” drive… what if that one is damaged, dropped (stupidity again.) And you can’t get back – then if you truly want a “clean” state the recovery will get you there. Or, if you want to eventually give that computer to charity of somebody you know – it gives them the choice as maybe they would prefer a recovery drive. There are many scenarios – too many, so you are right to say leave it alone unless absolutely necessary…
I have fixed too many computers to count without having to reinstall the OS. I have also reinstalled the OS or a more recent one on countless machines when “fixing” them proved impossible or way too time consuming…. and I have just used the recovery partition on a dell for the very first time. The Dell inspiron would start Vista, get to the desktop and then within 30 seconds to a minute you could not click on anything—the cursor moved but clicking had no result—even Safe Mode wouldn’t work. Normally I would have reformatted it and put Windows 7 on it but my friend didn’t want to spend the money, I could have reformatted and put Vista back on but having nothing to lose I tried F8 on system start and reinstalled using the recovery partition. It worked just fine–didn’t even have to reenter the product key. So maybe worth trying before manually reformatting and reinstalling.
I did backup files using Ubuntu 10 (Ubuntu is another OS–if you don’t know about it, not really important to this conversation) and I used Winkey finder (google it) to recover the product keys for Microsoft Office 2007 and Vista before I did the recovery–Winkey Finder is BLAZINGLY FAST–in 1 or 2 seconds it had both keys—it was just as fast on my other computer where it had to show the keys for multiple Adobe products as well as Microsoft products–try it, it’s free.
The staement that when you reinstall the OS using the recovery partition you lose all data is not always true. On my Gateway laptop the recovery choices include the option to save data, which after recovery can be found at C:windowsBACKUP. It saves ALL of my data in this directory — of course I must still reinstall all my programs but it is easier when you at least have your original program files to refer to. Anyone who has a recovery partition should check into this to see if this option applies to your system.